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What he said.

This.

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Same goes for the black lady you first encountered that didn't know how to operate the E-meter. She said they give hand lotion to those holding the cans...FAIL!! Putting on hand lotion screws with the conductivity in the cans, particularly if the lotion has any alcohol in it.
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You are wrong. They even make "special" lotion to improve your session.
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Pope...

If you are reading what Aporetic said, it is tough love.  No one wants to exclude you, per se, but want to keep a distance from some of your actions.

You have been fun to be around.  I would like that to continue.  But harsh as it is (and I would be too big a pussy to say it myself), I agree with what Aporetic said.

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Pope...

If you are reading what Aporetic said, it is tough love.  No one wants to exclude you, per se, but want to keep a distance from some of your actions.

You have been fun to be around.  I would like that to continue.  But harsh as it is (and I would be too big a pussy to say it myself), I agree with what Aporetic said.

That is fine with the two of you, but it doesn't reflect badly on AGP. The problem with some anons is they think they know what's best for everyone else, and feel free dictate those terms of engagement on everyone else. There is not one standard of protesting, folks. People need to pull their proverbial heads out of their asses and cease trying to control others.

AGP is one of the more active protestors, a huge thorn in Rick Moxon's ass, and the cult at-large doesn't know how to handle him. Certainly, there are things we all can improve on insofar as communication is concerned & how we conduct ourselves, but when a group of people get together and say "protest my way or no way," it becomes a problematic control issue which serves to destroy the group as a whole.

We should be overlooking each other's quirks & helping one another in this fight instead of shooting each other in the foot. I guarantee you, as one who worked in OSA under Mike Rinder, these logs are read & discussed 24/7, from which Scilons try to devise ways to further separate the group from one another.

We should be unified & helping one another instead of making judgement calls & trying to control the manner in which anons express themselves. Consequently, AGP is an adult and knows if he does something that causes himself to be arrested, he will be responsible for dealing with it.

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Pope...

If you are reading what Aporetic said, it is tough love.  No one wants to exclude you, per se, but want to keep a distance from some of your actions.

You have been fun to be around.  I would like that to continue.  But harsh as it is (and I would be too big a pussy to say it myself), I agree with what Aporetic said.

That is fine with the two of you, but it doesn't reflect badly on AGP. The problem with some anons is they think they know what's best for everyone else, and feel free dictate those terms of engagement on everyone else. There is not one standard of protesting, folks. People need to pull their proverbial heads out of their asses and cease trying to control others.

AGP is one of the more active protestors, a huge thorn in Rick Moxon's ass, and the cult at-large doesn't know how to handle him. Certainly, there are things we all can improve on insofar as communication is concerned & how we conduct ourselves, but when a group of people get together and say "protest my way or no way," it becomes a problematic control issue which serves to destroy the group as a whole.

We should be overlooking each other's quirks & helping one another in this fight instead of shooting each other in the foot. I guarantee you, as one who worked in OSA under Mike Rinder, these logs are read & discussed 24/7, from which Scilons try to devise ways to further separate the group from one another.

We should be unified & helping one another instead of making judgement calls & trying to control the manner in which anons express themselves. Consequently, AGP is an adult and knows if he does something that causes himself to be arrested, he will be responsible for dealing with it.

What was that?  I   CAN't hear you.

Also...please quit encouraging people to do things that are more likely to get them into trouble.

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Gah I got RPF'd and havn't been around for a while. My God the things that happen when you're away, but yes.

Pope this video made me laugh a lot, but even I must say I was biting my fingernails just a bit when I saw you in the store. It has to take guts to do that. But like what was mentioned above, I don't want to see you get dogpiled by security. I was always under the impression that we did not go into the orgs. Look in the windows, take pics and video through the doors and windows, that's fine but don't go inside. That's just a bad idea. We are on their turf and god knows what they'd do. Hell we've already seen examples.

On the other hand I think it's bullshit when people say they're going to 'break away' and 'keep their distance' when people do stuff like this. Get the fuck over it. I've said it about Smurf, and my opinion is the same for AGP and Orange. They are one of us. I will not disown them because they made choices I didn't agree with. It's called growing up and getting the fuck over your butthurt. It's going to make us look weak and pathetic if we leave one of our own to get eaten by the sharks. Orange and Pope may do dumb stuff at times, they may be idiots yes, but they are Anon's idiots. And they've gotten a lot of win for the few fails they've collected over time. They both get their kind of work done. Going to court acctually helps, it gets stuff out in the open and sets the precident to the courts that Scientology is going to be shifty. Every little bit helps.

tl;dr Lulz at whatever fail happens, then look for whatever win that can be salvged and move forwards.

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Most anons from WWP think AGP is doing it right. This is definitely win and lulzy. Even if he got preachy at the end, that's alright, cause it's the same stuff we say at every protest.

Srsly, people, that was awesome.

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Most anons from WWP think AGP is doing it right. This is definitely win and lulzy. Even if he got preachy at the end, that's alright, cause it's the same stuff we say at every protest.

Srsly, people, that was awesome.

It was funny, and worked out.  But it could have gone horribly awry.  The Pope, even without his hat and mask, is recognized by the scilons.  If they were more on the ball, they could have detained him and made up some story....grabbed his camera...whatever.

So many things could have gone badly.

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Well, I'm not gonna make a habit of responding to you, since you're bugnuts crazycakes, and I'm gonna apologize to everyone else in advance for the tl;dr.

That is fine with the two of you, but it doesn't reflect badly on AGP. The problem with some anons is they think they know what's best for everyone else, and feel free dictate those terms of engagement on everyone else. There is not one standard of protesting, folks. People need to pull their proverbial heads out of their asses and cease trying to control others.

I wasn't trying to be hard on him, I was trying to get him to understand something.  Modes of conversation other than fucktard are often more effective in getting someone to think about a different point of view.  You've been the idiot clown for so many years it's only natural that you'd gravitate towards dumbfuckery.  You're a cancer.  You've always been a cancer.  You're a traitor to everyone who was ever dumb enough to trust you.  I can't fathom why anyone still falls for your shit.  You pull the same trick every time.  You show up, act like a dick, diss Scientology enough so that some clueless people give you credibility and then play off of that to build yourself up, gain someone's trust, sell them out to CoS, rinse, repeat.

Now, that out of the way, I think I was fairly obviously trying to say what I thought needed to be said without trying to be a dick to AGP.  I kinda like the guy.  I just think he's gonna get himself in trouble.  You specialize in trouble.  I'd like to see him avoid trouble.  Hey, you know what's better than not losing to scientology in court!?  Not getting dragged into court in the first place.

AGP is one of the more active protestors, a huge thorn in Rick Moxon's ass, and the cult at-large doesn't know how to handle him.

Ah, the ol' cock measuring substitute.  You know why you're a failure? Because you measure your success by how angry it makes Moxon, or DM.

Moxon is a tool.  You measure your success by how angry the tool gets when you yell at it.  Does it remind you of anything?  An ashtray perhaps? 

Angry people shut down.  Angry people are no longer receptive to what you have to say.  You show up, you make everyone angry, and immediately make them stop listening to anything you have to say.  Ironically, the only people listening to you, are other protesters who are just rolling their eyes and wishing you'd fuck up bad enough to get arrested so they can all laugh.

Certainly, there are things we all can improve on insofar as communication is concerned & how we conduct ourselves, but when a group of people get together and say "protest my way or no way," it becomes a problematic control issue which serves to destroy the group as a whole.

Nobody has ever said anything anywhere even remotely approaching "protest my way or no way".  They just don't like *YOUR* way.  Just because it's your idea doesn't make it a good idea. 

We should be overlooking each other's quirks & helping one another in this fight instead of shooting each other in the foot. I guarantee you, as one who worked in OSA under Mike Rinder, these logs are read & discussed 24/7, from which Scilons try to devise ways to further separate the group from one another.

Yes, we're all beautiful, unique snowflakes.  That aside, we're not the ones shooting each other in the foot.  AO shot himself in the foot.  AGP shot himself in the foot.  You, shoot yourself in the foot, and knife other people in the back.  It is AO's job to not shoot himself in the foot.  It is not our job to not let him shoot himself in the foot.  He's ostensibly an adult, and capable of making decisions for himself.  If that's the case, then he's capable of accepting the responsibilities, and the consequences that come with his decisions.  If not, he's gonna have a bad time.

I don't see criticising counterproductive behavior as being beneficial to the cult.  I see counterproductive behavior as being beneficial to the cult.  The fact that OSA seeks to divide does not mean that argument or disagreement should be discouraged.  You're just rehashing the "The terrorists *WANT* us to do that, ergo we must do the opposite!" thing.

We should be unified & helping one another instead of making judgement calls & trying to control the manner in which anons express themselves. Consequently, AGP is an adult and knows if he does something that causes himself to be arrested, he will be responsible for dealing with it.

I am trying to help him.  I'm trying to help him avoid the trouble that he is headed for.  I've been around a while, I've seen how this shit ends.  He can choose to take it constructively, as it was intended, he can ignore it, or do whatever the hell he wants. 

You, I don't really give a fuck about.  I've long since learned to stay far enough away from you to comfortably rubberneck at the carnage that inevitably surrounds you.

AGP and AO don't understand yet why they shouldn't trust you.  I'm confident that you'll show them.  Maybe Ken Moxon will come whisper some more sweet nothings into your ear.  He'll tell you he understands how you've been treated badly, and he wants to show you that they still appreciate you.  What's the usual procedure?  Does he just offer you money, or does he always nibble your ear first?

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Well, I'm not gonna make a habit of responding to you, since you're bugnuts crazycakes, and I'm gonna apologize to everyone else in advance for the tl;dr.
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******An entire post I agree with*********

But I would like to point out this passage:
 

Ironically, the only people listening to you, are other protesters who are just rolling their eyes and wishing you'd fuck up bad enough to get arrested so they can all laugh.

I know I will live to see that day.  I just don't want you to take any good people down with you.

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Pope...

If you are reading what Aporetic said, it is tough love.  No one wants to exclude you, per se, but want to keep a distance from some of your actions.

You have been fun to be around.  I would like that to continue.  But harsh as it is (and I would be too big a pussy to say it myself), I agree with what Aporetic said.

That is fine with the two of you, but it doesn't reflect badly on AGP. The problem with some anons is they think they know what's best for everyone else, and feel free dictate those terms of engagement on everyone else. There is not one standard of protesting, folks. People need to pull their proverbial heads out of their asses and cease trying to control others.

AGP is one of the more active protestors, a huge thorn in Rick Moxon's ass, and the cult at-large doesn't know how to handle him. Certainly, there are things we all can improve on insofar as communication is concerned & how we conduct ourselves, but when a group of people get together and say "protest my way or no way," it becomes a problematic control issue which serves to destroy the group as a whole.

We should be overlooking each other's quirks & helping one another in this fight instead of shooting each other in the foot. I guarantee you, as one who worked in OSA under Mike Rinder, these logs are read & discussed 24/7, from which Scilons try to devise ways to further separate the group from one another.

We should be unified & helping one another instead of making judgement calls & trying to control the manner in which anons express themselves. Consequently, AGP is an adult and knows if he does something that causes himself to be arrested, he will be responsible for dealing with it.

Also...please quit encouraging people to do things that are more likely to get them into trouble.

Obviously, you're unable to get the point. Sad.

Mod Edit: Get over yourself or get locked in the dome.

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Obviously, you're unable to get the point. Sad.

Please learn to read and comprehend what others are saying.
If I disagree with you, that doesn't mean I am wrong...it means I disagree with you.

And I notice you have responded to me several times...but appear to be afraid to reply to Aporetic.
What's up with that?

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Well, I'm not gonna make a habit of responding to you, since you're bugnuts crazycakes, and I'm gonna apologize to everyone else in advance for the tl;dr.

That is fine with the two of you, but it doesn't reflect badly on AGP. The problem with some anons is they think they know what's best for everyone else, and feel free dictate those terms of engagement on everyone else. There is not one standard of protesting, folks. People need to pull their proverbial heads out of their asses and cease trying to control others.

I wasn't trying to be hard on him, I was trying to get him to understand something.  Modes of conversation other than fucktard are often more effective in getting someone to think about a different point of view.  You've been the idiot clown for so many years it's only natural that you'd gravitate towards dumbfuckery.  You're a cancer.  You've always been a cancer.  You're a traitor to everyone who was ever dumb enough to trust you.  I can't fathom why anyone still falls for your shit.  You pull the same trick every time.  You show up, act like a dick, diss Scientology enough so that some clueless people give you credibility and then play off of that to build yourself up, gain someone's trust, sell them out to CoS, rinse, repeat.

Now, that out of the way, I think I was fairly obviously trying to say what I thought needed to be said without trying to be a dick to AGP.  I kinda like the guy.  I just think he's gonna get himself in trouble.  You specialize in trouble.  I'd like to see him avoid trouble.  Hey, you know what's better than not losing to scientology in court!?  Not getting dragged into court in the first place.

AGP is one of the more active protestors, a huge thorn in Rick Moxon's ass, and the cult at-large doesn't know how to handle him.

Ah, the ol' cock measuring substitute.  You know why you're a failure? Because you measure your success by how angry it makes Moxon, or DM.

Moxon is a tool.  You measure your success by how angry the tool gets when you yell at it.  Does it remind you of anything?  An ashtray perhaps? 

Angry people shut down.  Angry people are no longer receptive to what you have to say.  You show up, you make everyone angry, and immediately make them stop listening to anything you have to say.  Ironically, the only people listening to you, are other protesters who are just rolling their eyes and wishing you'd fuck up bad enough to get arrested so they can all laugh.

Certainly, there are things we all can improve on insofar as communication is concerned & how we conduct ourselves, but when a group of people get together and say "protest my way or no way," it becomes a problematic control issue which serves to destroy the group as a whole.

Nobody has ever said anything anywhere even remotely approaching "protest my way or no way".  They just don't like *YOUR* way.  Just because it's your idea doesn't make it a good idea. 

We should be overlooking each other's quirks & helping one another in this fight instead of shooting each other in the foot. I guarantee you, as one who worked in OSA under Mike Rinder, these logs are read & discussed 24/7, from which Scilons try to devise ways to further separate the group from one another.

Yes, we're all beautiful, unique snowflakes.  That aside, we're not the ones shooting each other in the foot.  AO shot himself in the foot.  AGP shot himself in the foot.  You, shoot yourself in the foot, and knife other people in the back.  It is AO's job to not shoot himself in the foot.  It is not our job to not let him shoot himself in the foot.  He's ostensibly an adult, and capable of making decisions for himself.  If that's the case, then he's capable of accepting the responsibilities, and the consequences that come with his decisions.  If not, he's gonna have a bad time.

I don't see criticising counterproductive behavior as being beneficial to the cult.  I see counterproductive behavior as being beneficial to the cult.  The fact that OSA seeks to divide does not mean that argument or disagreement should be discouraged.  You're just rehashing the "The terrorists *WANT* us to do that, ergo we must do the opposite!" thing.

We should be unified & helping one another instead of making judgement calls & trying to control the manner in which anons express themselves. Consequently, AGP is an adult and knows if he does something that causes himself to be arrested, he will be responsible for dealing with it.

I am trying to help him.  I'm trying to help him avoid the trouble that he is headed for.  I've been around a while, I've seen how this shit ends.  He can choose to take it constructively, as it was intended, he can ignore it, or do whatever the hell he wants. 

You, I don't really give a fuck about.  I've long since learned to stay far enough away from you to comfortably rubberneck at the carnage that inevitably surrounds you.

AGP and AO don't understand yet why they shouldn't trust you.  I'm confident that you'll show them.  Maybe Ken Moxon will come whisper some more sweet nothings into your ear.  He'll tell you he understands how you've been treated badly, and he wants to show you that they still appreciate you.  What's the usual procedure?  Does he just offer you money, or does he always nibble your ear first?

LOL. Your nic should be a-pathetic. Your spew & froth is only a sad reflection of your character. I may not agree with and may not like certain anons, but it doesn't lead me to stab them in the back & insult them (mimicking the cult), rather, I encourage the idea that everyone has a place at the table if they're concerned about cult abuses.

Hell, Xenubarb can't stand the sight of me, but I recognize the invaluable role she has played in exposing the cult for what it is, and applaud her for it.

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Since well-worded explanations evidentally do not work on you, let me rephrase some things for ya.

When AGP got a stress test, it was funny.
We all enjoyed it.
We watched the video and enjoyed it.
It could have gone a bad path. The cult could have done to him what they've already done to more than one Anon already and let him step foot inside, then had him arrested for trespassing.
We didn't like the end, when he started yelling at people and acting like a loon.
When you yell at people, they don't listen.
When you act like the adults that you so proudly claim everyone in your crew are, you speak like adults.
Being dragged to court is not a good thing.
It costs you money.
It hands them more fodder for their stupid black pr fliers on a silver platter.
It wastes Graham's time.
I'm not sure if you realized, but Graham is not your personal army.
There's PLENTY of things he can be doing for the cause that DON'T involve bailing your asses out of the clink all the time.
Also, when you, AGP and AO do stupid things, it reflects on us.

When AGP is yelling at the top of his lungs and banging on the windows of H.E.L.P. while there are children inside, the cops and people on the street aren't going to see him doing that and say "Well, I don't approve of it, but he's a grown man and is free to make his own decisions"

They're going to say "Oh My God, that crazy man is scaring those poor children. He's yelling about Scientology and wearing a mask, so he must be with that group of people over there who are also wearing masks and talking about Scientology"

This is not about ego. This is not about your way/my way. This is about common sense.

The biggest upper hand we have against COS is the fact that unlike them, we have the ability to use rational, logic and common sense.
So fucking use it.

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Anonymous = Hivemind

Hivemind means that we discuss behavior that affects us all, and do our best to determine the best course of action.  Often that includes criticism.  If you cannot take criticism, and have no intention of working with the hivemind, then you are not Anonymous.  Everyone is more than free to do anything that they want out there and in life, but when the shit hits the fan because you did something that the hivemind taught you not to, then you don't get to come running to us for help.  You're either part of the team, or you're not.  If you're not, that's fine - we can co-exist as people with similar agendas, much in the same way that Anonymous deals with 90% of the OG and FZers.

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